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		<title>By: singlemomseeking</title>
		<link>http://serahrose.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/relegating-comfort/#comment-756</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank  you for this. I parent the same way... so I&#039;m comforted by what you say here. 
 
I&#039;m thrilled to have found your blog!

Sure, sometimes I kick myself for not teaching my daughter better sleep habits (she&#039;s going on 8 and still has a rough time falling asleep, and often sleeps with me)... but she&#039;s such a poised, confident, balanced kid that I think this bonding must have something to do with it. 

I&#039;d love to add you to my blogroll! 
http://singlemomseeking.com/blog/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank  you for this. I parent the same way&#8230; so I&#8217;m comforted by what you say here. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thrilled to have found your blog!</p>
<p>Sure, sometimes I kick myself for not teaching my daughter better sleep habits (she&#8217;s going on 8 and still has a rough time falling asleep, and often sleeps with me)&#8230; but she&#8217;s such a poised, confident, balanced kid that I think this bonding must have something to do with it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to add you to my blogroll!<br />
<a href="http://singlemomseeking.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://singlemomseeking.com/blog/</a></p>
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		<title>By: derangedchicken</title>
		<link>http://serahrose.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/relegating-comfort/#comment-721</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like what makes people angry is all the judging that goes on in these parenting &quot;debates&quot;, not so much the differences in actions, themselves.  

I know people who did CIO, and it was totally fine, and the right thing to do.  I know people who never have, and still have kids who are 4 years old and crawl into bed with them every night ... and that works too.  

Those who won&#039;t CIO feel likes those who do are saying &quot;You should have!&quot;, and then those who DID CIO, feel like those who say &quot;I *love my* baby, I would NEVER do CIO!&quot; are implying that those who DID do CIO - whatever their reasons might be or have been - just don&#039;t love their kids as much.  

Maybe we&#039;d all be less angry iat these moments, if we stopped judging one another, and debating it, and said &quot;We trust mothers.&quot;  We trust mothers to know their kids, and to know whether CIO is a good idea or a bad idea, or not...with any given child in any given situation...because by far the vast majority of mothers, whether they CIO or don&#039;t CIO, whether they co-sleep or whether they feed their kid Spaghettios (gasp) do love (and know) their kids...  

They love them very very much, and they know them better than anyone else does.  The kids I worry about aren&#039;t those eating Spaghettios, or having to CIO while their anxious, sleep-deprived and guilt ridden parents pace the halls.  They aren&#039;t the ones whose mothers leave them to go to work with a heard full of tears like lead.  The kids I worry about are the ones whose mothers don&#039;t care or don&#039;t notice...let alone ever concern themselves with any of these dillemmas, because they are too busy trying to score dope, or cope with their abusive relationship of the month.

Lets just be glad we&#039;re all focused enough on the right things in life to worry about our kids...to know them, to love them...to listen to them.  Things could be worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like what makes people angry is all the judging that goes on in these parenting &#8220;debates&#8221;, not so much the differences in actions, themselves.  </p>
<p>I know people who did CIO, and it was totally fine, and the right thing to do.  I know people who never have, and still have kids who are 4 years old and crawl into bed with them every night &#8230; and that works too.  </p>
<p>Those who won&#8217;t CIO feel likes those who do are saying &#8220;You should have!&#8221;, and then those who DID CIO, feel like those who say &#8220;I *love my* baby, I would NEVER do CIO!&#8221; are implying that those who DID do CIO &#8211; whatever their reasons might be or have been &#8211; just don&#8217;t love their kids as much.  </p>
<p>Maybe we&#8217;d all be less angry iat these moments, if we stopped judging one another, and debating it, and said &#8220;We trust mothers.&#8221;  We trust mothers to know their kids, and to know whether CIO is a good idea or a bad idea, or not&#8230;with any given child in any given situation&#8230;because by far the vast majority of mothers, whether they CIO or don&#8217;t CIO, whether they co-sleep or whether they feed their kid Spaghettios (gasp) do love (and know) their kids&#8230;  </p>
<p>They love them very very much, and they know them better than anyone else does.  The kids I worry about aren&#8217;t those eating Spaghettios, or having to CIO while their anxious, sleep-deprived and guilt ridden parents pace the halls.  They aren&#8217;t the ones whose mothers leave them to go to work with a heard full of tears like lead.  The kids I worry about are the ones whose mothers don&#8217;t care or don&#8217;t notice&#8230;let alone ever concern themselves with any of these dillemmas, because they are too busy trying to score dope, or cope with their abusive relationship of the month.</p>
<p>Lets just be glad we&#8217;re all focused enough on the right things in life to worry about our kids&#8230;to know them, to love them&#8230;to listen to them.  Things could be worse.</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
		<link>http://serahrose.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/relegating-comfort/#comment-719</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...the original post and the comments lifted some weight off my chest. 
Just like all children, my 21 month old is a very special, one of a kind...she still sleeps with my wife and I (we do make sure she is safe and has enough space.), breastfeeds at night, and sometimes is awake at 4:00AM, and takes great pleasure  in opening my eyes with her fingers--her way of saying, &quot;fyi, i&#039;m awake&quot; We have tried to get her to sleep in her crib--1 or 1.5 hours max. So, we let it be.

We have friends who share their war stories with great pride and sense of accomplishment, having gotten their child to sleep alone &quot;finally!&quot; etc......they have hearts of steel, which is nice. Each child has her of her rhythm in life...why go in to a &quot;fix it mode?&quot; I just do not see the point. My little V_ is secure, happy and in her element most of the time...as a parent, I am satisfied with that. Doctors, experts, and pedia-psychologists&#039; advice to the contrary...hmmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;the original post and the comments lifted some weight off my chest.<br />
Just like all children, my 21 month old is a very special, one of a kind&#8230;she still sleeps with my wife and I (we do make sure she is safe and has enough space.), breastfeeds at night, and sometimes is awake at 4:00AM, and takes great pleasure  in opening my eyes with her fingers&#8211;her way of saying, &#8220;fyi, i&#8217;m awake&#8221; We have tried to get her to sleep in her crib&#8211;1 or 1.5 hours max. So, we let it be.</p>
<p>We have friends who share their war stories with great pride and sense of accomplishment, having gotten their child to sleep alone &#8220;finally!&#8221; etc&#8230;&#8230;they have hearts of steel, which is nice. Each child has her of her rhythm in life&#8230;why go in to a &#8220;fix it mode?&#8221; I just do not see the point. My little V_ is secure, happy and in her element most of the time&#8230;as a parent, I am satisfied with that. Doctors, experts, and pedia-psychologists&#8217; advice to the contrary&#8230;hmmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: serahrose</title>
		<link>http://serahrose.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/relegating-comfort/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>serahrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>robyn - what does &quot;fash&quot; mean?  this is the second time you&#039;ve said it in a comment and i can&#039;t for the life of me figure it out!  :)

Sarah V. - sounds like you are exactly the kind of parent that is willing to work with her child&#039;s needs instead of against them.  you used a method of sleep training in a way that worked for both of you.  that&#039;s the kind of parenting that i think is productive parenting.  what i don&#039;t think works, and what i think can be a little cruel is parenting that is inflexible with sleep training, or as you put it, &quot;simplistic and one-size-fits-all.&quot;  

it also worries me that the term &quot;sleep training&quot; has such a negative connotation to me, when clearly it can work in a positive way, such as for yourself.  i&#039;m a pretty well-educated person with a background in early childhood education and yet this &quot;method&quot; has still been over-simplified to me, and, obviously, to many other parents, to the detriment of its success.  

amberjee - yay for a lie in!  aren&#039;t those a lovely treat?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>robyn &#8211; what does &#8220;fash&#8221; mean?  this is the second time you&#8217;ve said it in a comment and i can&#8217;t for the life of me figure it out!  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sarah V. &#8211; sounds like you are exactly the kind of parent that is willing to work with her child&#8217;s needs instead of against them.  you used a method of sleep training in a way that worked for both of you.  that&#8217;s the kind of parenting that i think is productive parenting.  what i don&#8217;t think works, and what i think can be a little cruel is parenting that is inflexible with sleep training, or as you put it, &#8220;simplistic and one-size-fits-all.&#8221;  </p>
<p>it also worries me that the term &#8220;sleep training&#8221; has such a negative connotation to me, when clearly it can work in a positive way, such as for yourself.  i&#8217;m a pretty well-educated person with a background in early childhood education and yet this &#8220;method&#8221; has still been over-simplified to me, and, obviously, to many other parents, to the detriment of its success.  </p>
<p>amberjee &#8211; yay for a lie in!  aren&#8217;t those a lovely treat?!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah V.</title>
		<link>http://serahrose.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/relegating-comfort/#comment-713</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this thoughtful comment.  I think CIO methods of sleep training do get grossly overused, because people are unaware of other methods or because they&#039;re made to feel they have a problem that needs solving in the first place when they don&#039;t.  However, I also feel that CIO/sleep training tends to be seen in a very simplistic, one-dimensional way without regard to the fact that there are all kinds of different reasons why it might be done or that in some cases it might be the appropriate response to a genuine problem.  It&#039;s not all about denying your child comfort in the middle of the night.

I&#039;ve done sleep training with my son.  There were two stages of his life where we had to leave him crying alone for short periods of time to get him to sleep, and sleeping through the night wasn&#039;t the issue in either case.  In both cases, it was because it was the only way to get him to settle and go to sleep in the evening.  I&#039;d have been happy to sit with him and comfort him to sleep if that had been working, but it wasn&#039;t.  The issue, I found, wasn&#039;t that he needed comfort.  It was that he wanted to get up and play and was fed up that he wasn&#039;t being allowed to.  Sitting with him only ended up making him cry for longer, which I believe is because he was getting a mixed message - if I was still there, maybe it was still playtime.  I had to walk out of the room for him to get the message.  He was never left for more than a few minutes without me going in to comfort him again, but I did have to leave him for that period of time.  

Now, because I was there and with the situation and I know my child, I know that that was the right thing to do.  I don&#039;t feel offended or upset by people who are anti-sleep-training or who think you should never leave a child to cry under any circumstances.  But I do think that that view of life is as simplistic and one-size-fits-all and ultimately unhelpful as the view that states that all babies should sleep through the night after age X.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this thoughtful comment.  I think CIO methods of sleep training do get grossly overused, because people are unaware of other methods or because they&#8217;re made to feel they have a problem that needs solving in the first place when they don&#8217;t.  However, I also feel that CIO/sleep training tends to be seen in a very simplistic, one-dimensional way without regard to the fact that there are all kinds of different reasons why it might be done or that in some cases it might be the appropriate response to a genuine problem.  It&#8217;s not all about denying your child comfort in the middle of the night.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done sleep training with my son.  There were two stages of his life where we had to leave him crying alone for short periods of time to get him to sleep, and sleeping through the night wasn&#8217;t the issue in either case.  In both cases, it was because it was the only way to get him to settle and go to sleep in the evening.  I&#8217;d have been happy to sit with him and comfort him to sleep if that had been working, but it wasn&#8217;t.  The issue, I found, wasn&#8217;t that he needed comfort.  It was that he wanted to get up and play and was fed up that he wasn&#8217;t being allowed to.  Sitting with him only ended up making him cry for longer, which I believe is because he was getting a mixed message &#8211; if I was still there, maybe it was still playtime.  I had to walk out of the room for him to get the message.  He was never left for more than a few minutes without me going in to comfort him again, but I did have to leave him for that period of time.  </p>
<p>Now, because I was there and with the situation and I know my child, I know that that was the right thing to do.  I don&#8217;t feel offended or upset by people who are anti-sleep-training or who think you should never leave a child to cry under any circumstances.  But I do think that that view of life is as simplistic and one-size-fits-all and ultimately unhelpful as the view that states that all babies should sleep through the night after age X.</p>
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		<title>By: amberjee</title>
		<link>http://serahrose.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/relegating-comfort/#comment-711</link>
		<dc:creator>amberjee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah choice is good. and some nights the Imp still sleeps in my bed just because ;) i fed him at 5am this morning and he went back to sleep (fairly quickly) until 9am. Bless him, I had a sleep in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah choice is good. and some nights the Imp still sleeps in my bed just because <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  i fed him at 5am this morning and he went back to sleep (fairly quickly) until 9am. Bless him, I had a sleep in!</p>
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		<title>By: robyn</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>think i told you, my first born didn&#039;t sleep through the night til she was 3.  a week later i had my second.  don&#039;t fash yourself.  if you feel right, you ARE right.  she is a lucky little girl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>think i told you, my first born didn&#8217;t sleep through the night til she was 3.  a week later i had my second.  don&#8217;t fash yourself.  if you feel right, you ARE right.  she is a lucky little girl</p>
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		<title>By: serahrose</title>
		<link>http://serahrose.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/relegating-comfort/#comment-705</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amberjee - 

yes, absolutely.  the other thing that gets relegated to the back burner (or thrown out entirely) is flexibility.  every child is different in so many ways.  even with different ways of &quot;crying it out,&quot; it&#039;s still, in the end, just one solution and it works for fewer children than we like to admit. so many parents are scared of being flexible, as if it will make their child worse.  when, in fact, flexibility it usually a good thing.

flexibility and routine are not mutually exclusive.

i am also truly sorry that you have a child who likes to play at 3am.  i&#039;ve always been grateful not to have to handle that on a regular basis.  the few times i did, we were both exhausted the next day, and the day after that too!  i don&#039;t think you&#039;re not strong for making choices about how to handle your child&#039;s sleep patterns.  that was also my point, none of us is any stronger than any other simply by making choices.  they are just choices.  and if we make a choice one night that doesn&#039;t work, we can make a different choice the following night until we figure out what works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amberjee &#8211; </p>
<p>yes, absolutely.  the other thing that gets relegated to the back burner (or thrown out entirely) is flexibility.  every child is different in so many ways.  even with different ways of &#8220;crying it out,&#8221; it&#8217;s still, in the end, just one solution and it works for fewer children than we like to admit. so many parents are scared of being flexible, as if it will make their child worse.  when, in fact, flexibility it usually a good thing.</p>
<p>flexibility and routine are not mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>i am also truly sorry that you have a child who likes to play at 3am.  i&#8217;ve always been grateful not to have to handle that on a regular basis.  the few times i did, we were both exhausted the next day, and the day after that too!  i don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re not strong for making choices about how to handle your child&#8217;s sleep patterns.  that was also my point, none of us is any stronger than any other simply by making choices.  they are just choices.  and if we make a choice one night that doesn&#8217;t work, we can make a different choice the following night until we figure out what works.</p>
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		<title>By: amberjee</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, I agree with you, I agree with you. 
And then I think it also all depends on circumstances. Each child has their own pattern of night waking (or not!) and there is a big difference between a child who wakes a few times a night and goes back to sleep with a cuddle and a child who cannot seemto sleep longer than 20 minutes at a time, or the child who will consistently be up between 1 and 4 every night. 
I hated the idea of sleep training. And then there came a point where I was crying every day and feeling totally overwhelmed from lack of sleep and pure exhaustion. I was being a horrid day parent because of trying to be a good night parent. I&#039;d love it if my child just went back to sleep with a cuddle. Mine requires 3 hours of playing before he&#039;ll consider nodding back off.
I feel that each parent has their own breaking point, maybe there are a lot of stronger women than I. 
But then yes, I still agree with everything you&#039;ve said.
Some day, I just need some sleep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, I agree with you, I agree with you.<br />
And then I think it also all depends on circumstances. Each child has their own pattern of night waking (or not!) and there is a big difference between a child who wakes a few times a night and goes back to sleep with a cuddle and a child who cannot seemto sleep longer than 20 minutes at a time, or the child who will consistently be up between 1 and 4 every night.<br />
I hated the idea of sleep training. And then there came a point where I was crying every day and feeling totally overwhelmed from lack of sleep and pure exhaustion. I was being a horrid day parent because of trying to be a good night parent. I&#8217;d love it if my child just went back to sleep with a cuddle. Mine requires 3 hours of playing before he&#8217;ll consider nodding back off.<br />
I feel that each parent has their own breaking point, maybe there are a lot of stronger women than I.<br />
But then yes, I still agree with everything you&#8217;ve said.<br />
Some day, I just need some sleep.</p>
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